WOULD ANY1 BE INTERETSED IN NO-OTROPICS(SMART DRUG

[jiminycricket70]

DMAE is prescription-only in NZ.

[bluntmuffin]

Ffs! Oh well, there's still one more.

Also, I just noticed this for a good laugh. :P
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-amazin...-took-a-review

[bluntmuffin]

What's the status of Phenibut? I can't find an explicit reference.

[jiminycricket70]

Its a Class B Controlled Drug. Analogue of GABA.

[bluntmuffin]

Where are you finding these things out? I found a website the other day that gave legal or prescription statuses for searched chemicals, but I didn't bookmark it.

[trance]

Originally Posted by bluntmuffin

Where are you finding these things out? I found a website the other day that gave legal or prescription statuses for searched chemicals, but I didn't bookmark it.

Ministry of health have a search engine thing you can search. Im not sure of the web address but I will try and find it and post it here.

[bluntmuffin]

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/cla...sification.asp

Is that the one? :P

[Drael]

Dimethylethanolamine (DMAE) IS NOT listed as a restricted medicine in NZ. Not only is it sold here in many bodybuilding products, and also some health food stores, its also used extensively in beauty skin products, and occurs naturally in foods like sardines....

I spoke to a chemist about it, and they claimed it was restricted, and required prescription, but thats actually pure BS. They are getting confused with things like pirecetam, which are fully sythetic agonist drugs, not natural, found in food, neutrotransmitter precursors.

Check it out, search in that govt engine, its not there. Nor should it be, not by any stretch of the imagination...

And consider this, officially according to stastics, bascially no one is getting the proper daily intake of choline (which is ineffective anyway, and only occurs mainly in liver and fish and eggs, and some low levels in certain grains like amaranth). The health consquences of that altered diet pattern probably costs us billions, not even considering the effect of everyone being more or less dumber than they should be naturally.

DMAE, is really the only good way to go with modern diets, not rich in organs, heaps of eggs, or fish. Vegans beware, the amount of amaranth and rice protein youll need is quite large to get a proper level of acetylcholines (the memory and attentional neurotransmitters)

And if DMAE were made prescription, they could make some kind of sardine/anchovies oil product (in gelcaps please, yuck!)....They cant make food presciption. (Or at least, while preserving the self delusion of making any sense at all).


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DMAE is one im very interested in. Unlike the other similar things, it doesnt seem "nervy" or overstimulated. So its more of a mental than physical thing. And its an obvious case of global societal dietary deficiancy, and I often cant remember faces, or names and such. For me, you dont take something, unless you actually have a deficiency (otherwise tolerance will over time neutralise any benefit). Of course there a some exceptions, such as downregulating systems, but for the most part thats true of all NTs.


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As for what is ACTUALLY restricted versus legal.......Its only really the pirecetams and such that have been specifically restricted.

There are some I would have to be bothered searching, to see if they fall into that catergory, as I bet theres one or two that havent been listed....

As for phenibut, the analogue laws dont cover GHB/GBL, as it isnt restricted, its listed as a medicine. EVen if they did, analogue laws in the US are muchy broader than ours, and phenibut is sold OTC there even though GHB is a scheduled substance. It may be thats its technically an analogue but no one other there cares, because phenibut is pretty damn low level. Not sure. Doesnt seem to be sold here though, from what I know, so this might be grey. Im not even sure how similar the molecules are between GHB and phenibut, I thought they were fairly different....


On the legal side we have all the natural type stuff. Sublitimate (sp?), DMAE, glutamate, choline, all the cofactors in the NDMA system (of which there are quite a few, such as glycine for example), B vits, inositol, iron, adaptogens like rodea rosea. dl-phen, tyrosine, and if you want to go the more druggy route betel nut and ciggerettes (both have proven effects, but only short lived, about half an hour). Bramhi is a good one too....(its an indian herb, with proven memory effects)

Theres plenty of stuff thats a fair bit more proven and powerful than ginko.

I covered some of this stuff in my new article...Im going to get some DMAE from a health store soon (only some have it though), try it out. I think alot of this stuff is overpriced though. I just found some DMAE from a nz store, that is 20 odd dollars for 50 130mg caps, but one I saw was charging 60 bucks for 100, 100 mg caps. Thats quite a significant price difference. And of course theres all those blends of things with uselessly low levels of each, and huge prices....

[elton_2028]

i may try this DMAE. I found an american site with 100g (37% DMAE) for US$18.
How do you does this stuff Drael?

[Drael]

Dose it? Actually ive not even read up on proper dose, but maybe 50-150mg per day seems pretty typical for people to take from reports ive read??? Im actually not super sure. Seems like most products either have a 100mg or so whack, or a lower amount mixed with glutamate, cytisine, ginko and other memory boosters. Yeah, im gonna buy some too from a local company soon-ish. We should both report back to the thread after weve tried it

Theres a health store in ponsonby road that has it, but as i said its, $60 for 100, 100mg tabs of DMAE. I guess that would last you a few months, and thus isnt too bad especially if it works well, but im poor and would prefer $10 or so a month....

You just take it the morning like any vitamen or precursor. I dont think it wires you up per se, in fact aparently dreaming is increased, so it seems to help REM sleep. Its also supposed to help confidence and mood/anti-stressness a little too. So maybe focus/wakefulness boosting, but not stimulant.

[lifta00]

Hey guys any updates on DMAE? How did it work for you guys? any noticeable effects?

[jiminycricket70]

Just a quick heads-up for you Drael.
DMAE is classified as a prescription medicine in New Zealand. It is in the schedule as Dimethyl Aminoethanol. It is also in the schedule as Deanol. You can check here. DMAE shouldn't be sld over-the-counter in NZ.

http://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/class/classification.asp

Cheers,

[bluntmuffin]

I'm sure many of you nootropic searchers have heard of Huperzine A, from Huperzia Serrata (of Chinese origin). Well for some reason the pure extract is not available for sale in New Zealand. I think it may have been to do with heavy metal contamination fears, I can't remember.

However, never fear, the New Zealand forest is possibly here for the rescue.

http://lib.crop.cri.nz/scripts/publi...splayform=full

A bioactivity-directed investigation of an extract of the New Zealand clubmoss, Lycopodium varium, collected on subantarctic Campbell Island, has led to the isolation of the alkaloid huperzine A (1) as the major antifeedant and insecticidal component. Huperzine A showed insecticidal activity against the Australian carpet beetle, Anthrenocerus australis (LD50 = 110 ppm), the Australian sheep blowfly, Lucilia cuprina (LD50 = 2380 ppm), and the webbing clothes moth, Tineola bisselliella (LD50 = 630 ppm). Feeding by A. australis was reduced by 97% at 63 ppm.

This is provided for information's sake only, I'm not recommending you go out and eat copious amounts of clubmoss just because "it might work". It probably will work from the sounds of that report, as I reckon strong insecticidal activity would mean it's a decent concentration in the plant.

[Drael]

Im looking at citicoline and Alpha GPC as alternative choline precursors to dmae or choline itself.

Also looking at huperzine A, brahmi, and picamilon as other potential smarts.

Of course rodea rosea, is a great adaptogen, gonna try that.

Gotta to try and stay inside the law, but still should be plenty of options...