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Dunne bans substance found in K2 testing Monday, 26 November 2012, 11:34 am Press Release: New Zealand Government Hon Peter Dunne Associate Minister of Health Monday 26 November 2012 Media Release Dunne bans substance found in K2 testing Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne today announced a Temporary Class Drug Notice banning a substance found in tested samples of the K2 synthetic cannabis product. K2 has recently caused concern in communities, particularly in the lower South Island, where it has been connected to a number of incidents, and its use has been tied to elevated heart rate, vomiting, anxiety and psychosis. A substance identified as EAM-2201 was found in two K2 products seized by police from a retail outlet, and will now be subject to a temporary drug notice taking effect from Thursday, December 6. From that date, it will be illegal to import, manufacture, sell or supply the substance. “The Health Ministry considers that EAM-2201 poses a risk at least comparable to other already banned synthetic cannabis substances, therefore I have made the decision that it needs to be banned. “This is clearly not a product we want in the market place, and the fact that it is on the market tells you that we have an industry that does not give a damn about the safety of its customers. “Any product containing EAM-2201must be off the market under this order, which will stay in force for 12 months.” Mr Dunne said a permanent psychoactive substances regime will be in place by the middle of next year, reversing the onus of proof so manufacturers and distributors will have to prove their products are safe before they can sell them. Products that pass testing will still have age and other restrictions applied. “The regime will fix this industry once and for all and make it comply with proper standards. K2 is just another example of why you cannot trust these people to self-regulate and conduct themselves responsibly,” Mr Dunne said. “Temporary Class Drug Notices were always a holding pen until we could bring in permanent legislation, and they have done the job well. With this latest ban, we have now removed 32 substances, and therefore effectively more than 50 products, from the market,” he said. Ends.
It’s a day from our NZ synthetic cannabis ban coming into effect, and while I could reflect on the unmitigated disaster of the European bans, the folly of pushing the development curve even faster, sending people to the back market and who shows any real concern for citizen welfare given all that – I thought I’d push that to the backseat today to look back on our pal synthetic weed instead.
Id like to say - thank you to the manufacturers out there (though some not quite as much as others) because they didn’t JUST want to make a profit as all businessmen do, they had at least an interest, maybe even a passion for the topic of drugs and even harm minimisation, and they helped us get nicely toasted all these years. If it weren’t for them, no one would have gotten legally stoned. In a way, they have they have been kind of fighting some the war for drug liberalisation, for us, as I see it. Forget what the media says, they are imitating idiots. Thanks to the people involved in making and bringing us that good stuff!
Thank you to all the other inventors of the synths, for mimicking the magic of marijuana. You might have been looking for medicine; you just didn’t find it where you expected it.
Thanks to marijuana for showing everyone there are better ways to relax and seek peace, even get medical benefits, than drinking or hard drugs or pharmaceuticals.
And thanks synthetic pot, for showing NZ that having cannabinoids on sale at regular stores, is not some moral or practical end of the world, but in fact something rather everyday, mundane and boring – in the end everyone was more concerned about the fact that they were unknown novel chemicals, than anything to do with people getting stoned. This is itself rather noteworthy!
And one further thank you – Thank you to India, for showing the whole world -what not regarding marijuana as a drug at all looks like, and how it can be more everyday, sacred and regarded more as medicine and pure. Bang on, India.
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Kronic reports re-tests on their pineapple express stock, both overseas, and with the ESR reveal no contaimanation. According at this stage, only to them, there is no phenazapam in Pineapple express.
Could the whole government process that is currently signing the law could be based on pure con? Not that this will interfere with the current lawmaking in any likelyhood, but it may bring up some hard questions.
Keep in mind here, the people making the claim are losing money, and this is also an election year. But, of course, lab reports from official agencies are a different story, if they can be produced. If we get these two tests, confirmed, well, someone might get fingered for the blame, or the information, depending on how all this unravels. Hard to know.
Watch this space.
As someone who gave up smoking weed years ago, and a long time smoker of legal weed, I have to say, the announcement of a temporary ban on synthetic cannabinoids shocked me a bit, and left me with a lot of unanswered questions and half finished thoughts. Let's ditch the clip art mostly this one time.
I remember, around 9 years ago when I first tried spice original (then later called spice silver).
It was the first legal canna on the market, for some time. With a drink or two, at first it seemed to replicate or even beat cannabis, creating a slightly dizzying head buzz and trippiness.
Yet fast, the tolerance came, and the effects wore off. Much faster than cannabis. It was generally low level.
Within 6 months I was smoking much less because of the profile.
My head was clearer, my life more organised.
I was still getting real medicinal cannabinoid effects (anti nausea, anti pain), and my preferred form of relaxation without breaking the law, dealing with criminals, risking getting busted, anxiety, addiction or fuss. Basically, sorted. I turned my life around. That’s real harm minimisation.
Now, 9 years on, after a long time moderately smoking legal cannabinoids, I face a tricky choice. These have been banned. No longer an option.
So what do I do?
Feel free to tell me, because I have no real idea!
Become a criminal and choose a more addictive drug? (pot/weed)
Explore hugely untested RC’s from Chinese scam artists and the uncaring and unregulated EU market?
Become part of a new black market in synthetic cannabinoids locally – something which will undoubtly be highly common as the law seems to rest on the users and dealers side?
Or give up entirely, and just drink chamomile, corn poppy and lotus tea when I want to unwind. I’d rather not drink anyway. It’s a dirty drug.
To be honest, I don’t feel like an addict anymore. I would prefer to keep smoking canna’s, especially because of the particular benefits and profile of the drugs (Anti nausea, mellow relaxation, low to no toxicity), as opposed to drinking or smoking ciggies, it seems safe, even rational as a life style choice.
They say even legal canna’s are proven to have medicinal benefits like anti-Alzheimer’s, and anti-cancer. That seems very safe compared to some toxic cocktail of hangover producing stuff that makes you hurl.
Still, to keep my preferred lifestyle, I must live on the edge of the law, marginalised, even criminalised.
To be honest, I think in a just society, at minimum people like me with medicical benefits from canna’s should be able to get something cheap that doesn’t hurt your lungs and damage you, for relief. I’m not playing here I’ve nearly blacked out from pain that is quickly relieved by canna’s.
When the announcement came of a ban, my first thought was, where are the standards, and why don’t you still provide POS limited restricted sale to adults? Even with risks its still gonna be safer than booze or ciggies, and why send a large chunk of NZ into the criminal side?
You didn’t consider the implications of handing a massive market over to the gangsters, mobsters and other illicit opportunists?
How is that being safety conscious? Really!!?
Do you realise they directly correlate the increase in P, speed, stimulant and E use with the ban of BZP?
What about this? What the … are you creating? A black market from hell. A fuel to pour over the flames of methamphetamine addiction. The kind of madness….there’s no words. God save NZ. Seriously, we’ll need it if this carries on.
After all, this is all we are talking about.
It’s natural, it’s in our bodies, everywhere, and who are you to ban something so common and basic anyway?
And when the law commission says “don’t criminalise people”, what do you do right wing politicians? What do you do?
Lip service law commission and prohibition in sheep’s clothing. Look this article might be a little absent of my normally solid arguments and okay spelling – for me this is a passionate topic.
But, your family and friends should NOT be criminals anymore. Prohibition doesn’t work, the numbers are long out, the report’s long been filed. Including the law commission one. Don’t let gangs run the things society is morally panicking about, and for some reason afraid of – surely that simply maximizes any risk?
Look, everyone, for Buddha’s sake, whether you’d rather people smoke the real green, or be allowed the choice to choose for yourself freely, or simply have a firmer grip on reality than than Dunne and his team of rural soccer moms - vote green this election.
Turn this boat around. We need the sanity. We really, really do. Let’s not become Thailand, with 90 percent of our population using stimulants because of prohibition failures. Bring some law commission report into this law commission report, and decriminalise our fucking people!
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Check here for the latest news at our forums on the subject. The subject is on the table, folks, time to pipe up if you have a veiw. This shit is crazy on the fly law making, bound to be full of holes.
Wikipedia, on moral panic:
"Witch-hunts are an example of mass behaviour fuelled by moral panic.”
“The media have long operated as agents of moral indignation, even when they are not self-consciously engaged in crusading or muckraking.”
“Moral panics are in essence controversies that involve arguments and social tension and in which disagreement is difficult because the matter at its center is taboo.”
First, let us get some background.
The existing war on drugs taxes heavily on society, and stretches the limit of common things being defined technically or practically as drugs already. That’s with psychedelics and amphetamine type compounds. The relatively unexplored area of cannabinoids could in theory eclipse both those groups.
They are in common foods, like chocolate, rice and peanuts. No wonder the girls like chocolate. The ones most common in foods are called “N-acyl-ethanolamine phospholipids”. They are in plants, like our native New Zealand Liverwort. It’s thought a type of fish might have them, and our search into nature to find them has been less than extensive. Omega oils, and essential fatty acids are cannabinoid precursors.
Similarly, the vast number of cannabinoids potentially possible synthetically being as many such compounds share little in chemical structure. It’s unknown just how far that rabbit hole goes, and Shulgin never played with cannabinoids. Just how many cannabinoids are there?
This, and the fact they are present in many foods, makes the idea of banning them all, as suggested by those involved in a current classical moral panic, well seem quite absurd.
In the US, and UK, they both banned a handful of compounds. Many more countries tried as well. Most times, new products are on the shelves, with new actives, on the day the “ban” comes into effect. Every time, legal weed remains.
Kronic announced its new WA formula already, after the announcement of a “ban”, ironically titled “Aussie Gold”, presumably after the gold miners who like to smoke it.
You don’t ban something nearly as commonplace in nature as lawn grass, and as potentially numerous as more than all the drugs you’ve banned already. It’s a war anyway against responsible adults using low harm substances if they so choose. It’s a war against personal choice – and nature itself. And it ignores a growing amount of scientific and expert review. Really, madness.
Read more of this article HERE
I am sure a lot of us caught the “TV One typical” fear mongering about legal pot alternatives last week. For those that didn’t here is the text version of the piece.
It’s hard really to know where to start on correcting the misinformation in this article – but let us start with the absurd: Where did they get that moron from for the interview? Did they (as it seems possible) pay him in Kronic?! Motive eludes me. That aside: let’s just get these facts straight.
Firstly the EACD (who are responsible for such assessments) has recommended regulation of the legal pot alternatives already – and Peter Dunne has already agreed, the plan being to implement the changes over a period of a year. Seems like close-up completely missed this - the very most basic of facts on the subject. Of course, the R18 regulation needs to be phased in due to the level of changes. And it is certainly not going to be applied before the actual amendment is even written! The only one able to control the age of purchase until the law is actually changed is retailers. Being such changes are currently planned, well that makes the vast majority of the TV piece completely redundant!
And for those that didn’t know about these plans, here’s the brief: health warnings, proper labelling, r18, restricted point-of-sale, child proof containers, no sale in places with children & compliance with smoke free laws. What was already in play well before the time this piece was aired should be some relief to those worrying about the children or teenagers here. In fact to me, the restrictions going to be applied are quite comprehensive, possibly over the top – you don’t even see child proof containers on essentially lethal tobacco (one small fist full of tobacco eaten can cause death).
I am equally surprised that Pat Buckley, a supposed drug educator, has no idea about greening out – and the article represents these effects as caused by the specific substances themselves, not simply a cannibinoid overdose (greening out – a state of anxiety and confusion from ingesting too much – a state well known about for decades). I suggest this “drug educator” read my blog about Safe use – it covers greening out and what that actually is. Read it here. (Its just below this article on the front page). On the general subject – don’t worry here, one guy once ate a kilo of marijuana buds – he passed out and woke up a day later. It’s mentally unpleasant, but that’s about it. If only alcohol was so forgiving!
This product has a pretty alluring smell – it smells yummy, mild and not over the top sweet and fruity smell and faint smell similar to Tai High Gold.
Its medium is similar to Afghan Kush, which contains a little plant variation, and fresh (not too dry) green fine medium. Both the Afghan Kush, and the Bubble Berry, I found were very easy to burn and use in a cone, there was no clumping while burning, and the medium would easily be put out. They also both come to two bulging little baggie’s, with what seems like in retrospect a fair bit of good smoking.
To actually smoke, the bubble berry is very pleasant; there is a subtle but not overwhelming taste of something like berry bubblegum. Being a fan of subtle sweet flavours, this was very much to my liking. The effect is zoned, detached, chill, relaxed, slightly trippy and dreamlike – with pronounced physical relaxation. While similar-ish to other products in basic character of stone, like for example Tai High Silver, Illusion, Dream, Rasta’s Ganja, etc – but this product is fuller rounder, stronger – much stronger – and generally kicks all those other products ass with its multi-active goodness – and as I said above with the Afghan Kush, this likewise with its value for money at 2 grams for twenty bucks.
I personally find this one good when I just want to relax, listen to music, or enjoy nature – but I imagine it would be great for something like playstation as well. Again, because it’s strong, especially if you’re a novice, don’t tackle this product like a hero – take your time and you may find like me, sometimes, you’re very happy with half of what you actually packed in the cone. Bubble Berry is a tasty as possible, fully rounded and very heavy hitting product.
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I admit I was pretty excited the day these two new Tai high blends arrived in the post, the names and their design made them sound pretty darn good.Okay, well first impressions - the Afghan Kush, like the Bubble Berry, has a medium that is similar to the Tai High Gold, but with more plant matter variation, perhaps added bits – and it turns out, a very fresh medium – not too dry. It’s quite fine, and the Afghan Kush has a vaguely kind of chocolate cakey subtle sweet earthy smell. I first packed about half a cone in my bong (it’s a big cone). Apparently they are built on multiple active cannibinoids, and stronger - so it was with some caution I had my first cone – and it was a good instinct to take it easy.This stuff is strong. It tastes very smooth, a little like the Tai high, but with a rich undertone – that earthy sweet whatever it is – I guess afghan. Very palatable. There is a huge immediate apparent head buzz. I can feel it physically in my head as I complete the cone. The whole effect is somehow rounder, as well as more euphoric. It’s almost like a really hardcore Dutch indoor cup winner – a heady kick ass buzz. You don’t attack this stuff like its nothing at all, the strength demands some respect if you don’t want a serious journey into outer space. This warm, euphoric head buzz is very social, great for chatting or hanging out with people, or going out.Overall one couldn’t really be much more impressed. This stuff is easily stronger than FTP, or space v2, and yet it comes at the competitive as price of 2 grams for 20 bucks – making it not just a new generation smoke in terms of actives, taste, strength – but economical, that 2 grams, because its so strong, will last you decently. This product leaves the rest of the market behind, as far as I’m concerned, and it's most definately my new favourite.
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Kapow apparently is "totally organic, made completely from plant extracts and most importantly completely free of any synthetics, cannabinoids, pharmaceuticals or other unknown or man-made compounds". Hmmm. Completely free of fun? Doesn't even smell like its got poppy or lotus in it. It looks like coffee textured chunks of resin, and smells super strong of like christmas cake. It hardly burns, tastes and smells like burnt christmas cake and makes you slightly relaxed at best. It also stinks out your room and smoking devices. Basically, stay away from this stuff.
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